The NDP is bad, except when it's not - Macleans.ca
 

The NDP is bad, except when it’s not


 

Reminded of his ambassador’s time as leader of an NDP government, Stephen Harper qualifies his criticism of New Democrats.

Asked about whether his criticisms of the NDP record include Mr. Doer’s time in office or former Saskatchewan premier Roy Romanow, the Conservative Leader said no. “We’re not talking about those governments,” he said. “We’re not talking about this government or that government,” Mr. Harper said. “We’re talking about a national NDP today – that has a radical economic policies, that would raise taxes, that would kill jobs.”


 

The NDP is bad, except when it’s not

  1. Yet another example of the evil Mr. Harper being unable to work with others he disagrees with…

    • I know I have caused some discomfort on this site with my statements since the election. I have also made people think about the controlling billionares that are trying to steal our country and control our wealth. I must say this; Our country is at a crossroads right now and our vote has never meant as much as it means today. We must rid ourselves of the Harper dictatorship once and for all and tomorrow we can do that as a united country. The Conservative party of today is not the conservative party of our fathers and grandfathers and it is Harper that is responsivble for that. He must go because we are Canadian and not american and we resent being treated as such. We are not Fox news north nor will we ever be. We live in a country with hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of natural resources and they belong to us, Canadians. Our economy will not suffer under an alternative government other than that of the controlling tories. Vote to save Canada on May 2. Vote ABC. God bless Canada!!!

      • I'll be voting Conservative. Thanks.

  2. I cannot see anything wrong with this answer–perfectly logical.

    Canadians do not have to be concerned about Prairie NDP governments 10 years ago.

    The concern now is a National NDP government led by Layton that would make the Ontario Rae Gov`t look like a walk in the park.

    Harper is hoping that logic will win over whatever emotion makes anyone want to vote NDP.

    • Canadians do not have to be concerned about Prairie NDP governments 10 years ago.

      Finally, we have a date when we can ignore anything that happened before then as irrelevant. Thank the CPC war-room for us!

    • Doer was Premier of Manitoba until 2009. That was not ten year ago.

      In isolation the response, that Harper isn't talking about this or that government, is fine. The problem is that he has been bringing up various other NDP governments to trash Layton. If he wants to bring up Dexter, Rae, and various BC NDP leaders, then he does not get to say that comparisons to provincial governments are irrelevant the second someone brings up the fact that he appointed an NDP Premier Ambassador to Washington.

      • Romanov was mid-way through his 10 year stint as Premier of Manitoba in 1996 which was 15 years ago.
        Doer was half way through his time as Manitoba Premier in 2004—7 years ago.
        So you are obviously right—I was gravely wrong when I rounded of their times as Prairie Premiers as being 10 years ago–11 years ago would have been more accurate.

        Also, I do not recall Harper spending much time talking about Dexter or Rae, but several times I did hear him mention the disaster that would be a National NDP Layton gov`t.

        • This would hold more weight if most experts, or at least far more qualified and less biased individuals than Mr. Harper didn't completely disagree and state the NDP platform is comparable to the CPC.

          • The only experts who would agree with your statament would be a few scattered union leaders and professors.

        • "Romanov was mid-way through his 10 year stint as Premier of Manitoba in 1996 which was 15 years ago."

          And Bob Rae's NDP's were out of office by the middle of 1995, which was 16 years ago, so by your logic, the Conservatives have no right to even bring it up.

          • One last time.
            Previous NDP governments are not the question. Harper has consistently stated that the possibility of a national NDP-Layton gov`t will be disastrous.

  3. So does the present NDP look more like the accidental victors of the 1990 Ontario election, or the long-standing prairie NDP?

    • Neither. If the NDP see the breakthrough in Quebec that everyone is expecting, they will be a party in the mold of one Thomas Mulcair, who for a time served as Environment Minister in Jean Charest' Quebec Liberal government. Charest, as you'll recall, was a former Progressive Conservative….

      The lines are not as clear as Harper would like you to believe

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    • And Warren Kinsella said that someone tried to shop the story to him in election 2004. So someone is very definitely trying to destroy Jack Layton. Apparently the story has been around for sometime.

      My guess CPC this time because Harper has the most to lose with his majority government meme this election.

      • Really? Because I would say it's the Liberals who have "the most to lose" in this election. They're in wipeout territory thanks to the NDP surge.

        The Liberals are facing a historic and crushing defeat that could signal a fundamental realignment in Canadian politics. They obviously have a motive, and they are now on the record as having peddled the massage story in the past.

        • Seconded. I see the Grits as the more desperate of the two. Plus the fact that it's leaked to the Sun means most would naturally not look their way no?

          • Exactly. Leaking the story to the Sun is doubly advantageous for the Liberals, because everyone would suspect the Conservatives of leaking it. The Liberals get all of the benefits and none of the blowback.

            Also, I assume that some of the Sun guys know where the story came from. If Sun columnist Warren Kinsella suspected that the CPC was behind it, I don't think he'd be bashful about saying so. Instead, he offered the following inscrutable observation: "My take: if a political party was ultimately behind this story – and it's highly unlikely a political party wasn't – they'll be really, really sorry if they get found out."

            Obviously the Sun guys can't come out and reveal the source directly, but I thought it was interesting that David Akin was pretty quick to retweet Jon Kay's observation that the story had been shopped around by Liberals.

          • I actually feel a little bad for David Akin this week; on the relative scale one uses when discussing Sun Media journamalists, he's both respectable and readable.

          • I heard a local Liberal mention his dislike for Layton earlier this week and in the same breath mention his hypocrisy and that there were stories that people didn`t know about him—I assumed he meant the subsidized housing and Shouldice Clinic story, but maybe this was the story.

            It is entirely possible the Liberals were behind this media leak but I don`t really care—-the story is about Layton and his habits—-most people who are in the habit of visiting the bawdy houses don`t just go the one time—there is usually a pattern involved.

          • Maybe more desperate. But also more honest generally.

        • Do you think it could have been Sun Media acting alone? They need the attention. Then they can (hope to) say they had an impact on the election.

          Toronto cops have their own Rob Fordish axes to grind with Layton and Chow, so I don't think it would be hard to get their cooperation.

          • It's possible. It's even possible that the retired cop approached the Sun of his own volition. But it's certainly interesting that the Liberals knew about the massage story two years ago and tried to shop it to a National Post journalist.

  5. Every major News editorial board in our great land, save for the socialist leaning Toronto Red Star, have endorsed the CPC for obvious reasons. (If only the journalists they employ would have the same sense of objectivity).

    Read them all. Then ponder the economic horrors befallen others who have had dalliances with socialist leaning governments.

    How sad that Layton is cynically allowed to promise Canadians everything under the Sun at apparantly no real cost to us.

    He brings us socialism with a smile. That is, for many in the press, good enough reason to not scrutinize him, but rather actively cover for his obvious failings.

    • Good good- so can we finally put that old um, what did you call it this morning- Leftist Legacy Media- canard to bed once and for all.

      Thanks for pointing out the vast right-wing media empire in this country old boy.

      And stop cop-bashing okay?

    • I'm thinking we should bookmark this page to remind chiff the next time he starts railing against "The Leftist Media", that at one point he wholeheartedly agreed with them.

      • actually, he said that the editorial board of each one endorsed the CPC (except one), but he did mention that their reporters were not following the same line. Not saying that is all true, as I haven't' checked, but it doesn't mean that everyone writing in Canada is in favor of the CPC.

    • The CPC represents a socialist leaning government, you understand this yes? You must be in complete denial to believe otherwise. Harper has pulled the old conservative parties very far to the left in order to contend as a real political party, and even when they were on the right they still represented socialist governments.

      And nobody suppourts the 'economic horrors' theory the CPC is peddling. The difference between the three parties economically, is minimal. The NDP has shifted right quite a bit to eat into the LP's constituency and it is no longer the 'scary' party it has once been.

      It has its quirks, yes… but so to do the CPC with a host of new spending and programs, fuzzy math, the GST cuts, pork, and a horrendous record of abusing Canadian democracy.

      Im not an NDP suppourter, but this fear mongering is completely without merit – All three major parties are equally irrational and damaging. Voting on the economy is silly in this election, it will perform no diferent under any of the platforms.

  6. Aaron, your snarky headline is yet once more piece of proof of your blind partisanship, hackish instincts and general ignorance. Anyone with a lick of common sense or the most elementary knowledge of Canadian political history understands that there is a world of difference between the NDP parties that periodically governed Saskatchewan or Manitoba versus the federal party. Basically, the NDP strength on the prairies is largely a function of the fact that the Liberal brand has been so discredited for so long there that the NDP simply assumed the mantle of the main left-wing party…but it was a very centrist party – not only much more centrist than the federal NDP, but much more than the federal Liberal party often is. The provincial NDP on the prairies was even capable of drawing support from people who would vote for right-wing parties federally. That's not to say that the provincial parties wouldn't have many policies that someone like Harper would disagree with. But anyone who fails to understand that there is a world of difference between the sorts of policies and political culture of the prairie parties versus the federal party is simply someone who understands nothing about either. So Aaron: instead of writing more snarky, propagandizing hack-flackery headlines, why don't you go off somewhere and obtain the minimal level of education in Canadian politics that ought to be required for you to write on the subject. Or if your hacktastic instincts still can't be swayed by argument and evidence, just quit the profession that you are pretending to be a part of, and get into the official flackdom business in which you would clearly fit more comfortably. What a piece of trash you are Aaron: anyone with the least bit of knowledge about the NDP would understand why the distinction which Harper is drawing is at least a plausible, and probably a necessary one. But figuring that out would be too much nuance for your hack-boy ways, huh? You really are a partisan piece of trash parading as a journalist, Aaron, but your skinny *ss has no clothes. Give it up already, you pathetic flack. How ignorant and partisan do you have to be to pretend that there is no sensible way to draw a distinction between the federal NDP and the prairie parties? You really know nothing at all about Canadian politics, Aaron – either that or you are simply willing to dumb yourself down to sub-Gump levels of stupidity in order to grease the behinds of your Liberal patrons, huh? This post is pathetic, Aaron. You ignorant hack.

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  8. Okay let's get real
    If the Liberals did this their base will revolt. If the CPC did this – umm not so much but maybe sheepish.

    Perhaps we have not thought this through – maybe it was the same guy trying to pedal his story back in 2004 and finally found a media outfit that does not care about responsible reporting.

    I don't know but to link this to either party CPC or Liberals is probably a stretch given the post election fallout of doing such a thing and I apologize for my suspicion that this was the CPC to Crit Reasoning. I have no evidence but to say this entire campaign is a bloody sport that no Canadian takes pride in would be true outside of the party War Rooms.

    I think there is a rogue out there and he has tried to sell his story for a long time. Any one remember Snowdy?

  9. Harper seems to like Doer – he appointed him Ambassador to the US didn't he? So why wouldn't he exclude Doer and other NDP moderates like Romanow from his criticism? Seems perfectly logical to me. Layton and the federal NDP are not yet at that level of moderation. Not even close.

  10. .
    'Logic' means an end to a 20-year commitment to this fiscally insane F-35 debacle.

    Logic enough to vote NDP.
    .

    • .
      Now look, don't say what illogic 'would' obtain from voting NDP.

      We know what HAS happened with the Government of Harper. No hidden agenda.

      Nope. Right out in the open. I hope even the party faithful aren't going into the voting booth to give Mr. Harper another four-year political blow-job.
      .

  11. Torpedoing Iggy with non-stop attack ads for a couple years only to see Jack pop up in the polls must give the Clownservatives a real a$$burn. For that reason alone I like it.

    Re: "The Massage"
    Yawn, non-issue. I hope it blows back on whoever the culprit is. It sounds like this story was widely known in the MSM for at least 3 years but only Sun Media was dumb enough to think it was newsworthy. What do you expect from amateur clowns??

  12. The federal NDP was too far left even for Bob Rae and Donsij (yah, I spelled that wrong). What does that tell you?

    • The big factor was they thought their chances were better with the Libs. Rae is probably kicking himself right now.

  13. A story of a would be PM caught completely naked with a known prostitute in a bawdy house with sex/no sex signals, during a raid for child prositutes,

    is not newsworthy?

    We're not in Kansas anymore Toto.

  14. But whether Harper ate a communion wafer garnered headline after headline?

    Welcome to Oz folks.

    Welcome to Bizzaro media world where actually informing in a neutral and impartial way has been flushed down the toilet to satisfy the leftists desires of the Journalists who utilize their employer's corporate resources for personal partisan fulfillment.

    • Leftist media? Didn't you just say every major editorial board (except the Star) just endorsed the Tories?

      How is the media leftist when they are endorsing Tories???

      You have no shame, do you.

      • I've also said in that very comment I wish the journalists had the same sense of objectivity, thereby acknowleging a very real difference between the hack reporting of partisan journos, and the "official" positions of the editorial state of the paper.

        The dishonesty in willfully ommitting that in you critique, is….quite fittingly….shameful.

        • You write this as if journalists aren't the ones writing the editorial endorsements… which is ridiculous.

          Who do you think sits on these editorial boards??

          Again, you have no shame.

      • These editorials represent the adults coming home after the hyperpartisan teenagers have been using the house as their petty partisan leftist playthings.

        Yes, let us here more about the "clinic" Layton went to, and how it was a "smear", while considering the hyteria over a communion wafer. You can't attack the obvious evidence so you attack me, the messenger.

        Want more evidence? Read the journos on twitter. Their raving leftist Harper haters. Go hang out with them sometimes, their openly socialist leaning and anti capitalist. Journos when studied showed they overwhelmingly support the left leaning party over the right.

        It's simply undeniable. Yet, perhaps not unsurprisingly, the leftists cheer on the corrupt refs for putting the whistle away for "their team" and cheer on the cheap calls on the "other team".

  15. Velvet Touch – A Community Clinic – Who Knew????
    Olivia Chow was quick to release a written statement, that husband Jack Layton indeed did attend a "registered massage clinic" and she was well aware of it and he "needed a massage" late in the evening.
    Jack Layton, later at a rally in Burnaby, was quick to point out and clarify Olivia's comment, that in fact it was a "community clinic" (Velvet Touch -good name) where he obtained his services. In trying to protect his political career, and in tune with the NDP philosophy, he felt it very important to stress it was a "community clinic" not to be confused with a private clinic. It was essential in the middle of this election, to inform Canadians, in order to solicit their support, he wouldn't be caught dead at a private clinic, a for profit health care facility, where illegal, underage, Asian sex workers, would be employed by rip off artists, in the Canadian health care field – it would have to be a community clinic he patronizes – there should be no confusion. The reason that it was late at night that he was there, we would also assume was that he didn't jump the queue, but waited his turn. A good leader leads by example.
    I wonder if Canadians becoming more aware of the fine details of the NDP health care platform and of Layton's expansion of health care services to include these "community clinics", help explain the surge in support for the NDP in this current election. Does anybody in the main street media have a better explanation for the NDP surge and why are they reluctant to discuss this NDP expansion of Canada's health services?
    Why and how could the Toronto city police confuse a community clinic with a bawdy house?

  16. Appointing Doer was one of a few good choices made by Harper.
    Harper criticism of th eNDP is fear mongering-and he knows it.
    Unfortunatley it works . why assume that the layton's policies are bad without even checking them out ?

  17. ndp is garbage because they suck up to certain groups of people to get votes