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It’s all Andrew’s fault


 

Christopher White, founder of that Facebook group, talks to the Tyee.

Q. How did this all begin?

“It was the day I got back to Edmonton from the Christmas holiday. I slept in a bit. I was still in my pajamas, reading the news online, when I learned that Stephen Harper had asked for another prorogation.

“My first reaction was outrage. Here it was, happening again. It was so irresponsible, so undemocratic. And the worst part was, I could already feel the apathy starting to creep in.

“I looked at a couple other articles, and found a blog post Andrew Coyne had written on Maclean’s. He brought up this idea of the Long Parliament of 1640 in England, when the Parliamentarians defied the King and kept the Parliament going when he was out of the country.

“And I started wondering, ‘What if our Parliamentarians sat anyway?’ It just seemed like a really great idea.”


 

It’s all Andrew’s fault

  1. …and the alternate parliament was assembled, with opposition parties being positioned on either side of the court, separated by the length of two wireless mice

  2. ‘What if our Parliamentarians sat anyway?' It just seemed like a really great idea.”

    Christopher White is correct. Canadians deserve better than a ruling class that takes time off for the Olympics.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/2010wintergame

  3. I think that Andrew Coyne article should be framed by all democrats in the country. It inspired me to get off my a** and away from the keyboard as well. I happened to be online when Chris set up CAPP and I think I was the first or second to join up. He sent me an email a minute later and said there had already been 4 others signed up since I had and "we'll see where this goes". Well, it sure has gone far, Chris… already, so far.

    What really got me going from both Coyne's article and one from Andrew Potter was the cynical malaise with which they both finished off. They both effectively said "this is really important, another big shovel full of dirt undermining our democracy, but nothing will happen because Canadians are too apathetic.

    That was a good educational guess at the time and may prove to be right in time. But Canadians recognized when their apathy – or, put another way, their desire to just carry on with their lives without having to worry that the captain is running the ship aground – was being taken advantage of and to our collective disadvantage. A sleeping giant was awoken. We'll see if she goes back to bed now.

  4. Next steps: if you have a con MP, call every morning and ask for his or her itinerary, and tell the MP that since he or she applied for the job, you expected they would want to show up for work in the HoC, as is our longstanding Parliamentary tradition. Hold feet to the fire.

    If you are already a nominated candidate in a riding, find some money and put up billboards saying: Your Con MP doesn't want to work for you. I do. Get your campaign started.

    Send some money to a non-con party or candidate of your choice. Hitting them where they feel it — the bank account — is really the best way of showing you're serious. That, and voting them out for awhile.

  5. or, more likely, it's the media's fault. The article points the finger at the Aaron Wherry's of the press gallery, which is probably why it won't be among the countless links that he posts on the topic of prorogue. Yay objective journalism!

    • Dennis F likes to categorize those who don't support Harper as 'Harper-haters'; which seems ironic, since the Con-servative government under his so-called leader has continuously shown an inability to act beyond the petty grudge of hatred. Bad mouth our slow service? Guess you can stay in a mexican jail a little longer then. Don't like that we want to hide the return of our solders' bodies? Well you, father of a dead soldier, are only a liberal supporter and that should show you. Don't give us what we want? I'll take time off from writing my hockey book (with a special dedication to John Howard — thanks for the tips!) and come up with a nice novelette on how to screw up committees in five easy steps.
      Blaming the media? John Martin's a lame rightwing hack with a gun complex who obviously can't count how many papers endorsed Harper and how many endorsed Dion (or others) in the last election. If Harper made any attempt to treat the press gallery like humans I'm sure he'd have had a lot more leeway in his other abuses — although he has gotten off pretty lightly, unless your household endorses bribing dying men too.

      • No, I characterize Harper-haters has Harper-haters, and you appear to be one of them.

        I am of the belief that it is basically Harper-haters who have a problem with prorogue. Now, I may be wrong in that assumption, and time will tell.

        I just don't see a measured and thoughtful criticism of Harper on prorogue. It's all over-the-top nonsense, especially given that the same people yelling and screaming now didn't say boo when Parliament was prorogued countless times before.

        However, there is SOME thoughtful criticism. Andrew Coyne being the leader. But he sticks it to ALL politicians, and not just those who dare challenge leftists and liberals.

  6. I can't recall exactly how I heard about CAPP. I was totally disgusted when I heard that for the 2nd time in one year Harper had the audacity to prorogue Parliament to save his ass. I was not a FACEBOOK user but joined and attended a rally. Many in the MSM media (and supporters of the con party) have tried to diminish the number of attendees as well as denigrating, if thats the right word, of those in attendance. As well, many in the MSM feel that this will all blow over. They may be right, but I doubt it. I have a large extended family and a variety of friends who, though they are not inclined to attend rallies, feel that this latest progrogation, was the last straw. And now we hear that the govt. is trying to get out paying Colvin's legal bills.

    • I think its imperative that the 'secret cabinet meetings' need to be unearthed and showed for the sham they are. It'd be a good idea if the media started to not go away because the government tells them to, but if they don't have the stomach perhaps some eager facebookers should follow cabinet ministers and make their presence known when it's apparent a government secret meeting is ongoing. Put up signs welcoming 'Canada's tourist government' and ask them who's paying for their holiday?

  7. It's a story! It's not a story! No it's two.. two… two stories in one!

  8. Where are all of you negative thumbers? Have you no honour? Have you no humour? What are you members of? The hair club for mice , or the hair club for men? Show your anonymous avatar faces, I beseech thee.

  9. Little does Chris White know, Andrew was being sarcastic in that article, but no one could detect his irony.

  10. Brilliant idea ! But don`t stop with " con MP`s ". It just makes you seem too partisan if you only hound the gov`t MP`s.

    And don`t stop hounding when Parliament resumes. Think back to all the constructive work that was done in last fall`s parliament and demand more of that fascinating question and answer session, where just for emphasis, the same question about the flu or a wartime prisoner should be asked over and over again.

    Remember it`s " our longstanding Parliamentary tradition " and we will hound till we get it back.

  11. I don't know who John Martin is but I know why he is a criminologist at the University of the Fraser Valley and not a political scientist at a reputable institution. He doesn't know what the f@ck he is talking about. This is a gem:

    "Prime Ministers have always taken advantage of the opportunity to suspend the sitting of Parliament when it suits the party in power. Jean Chretien did it four times during his reign; including shutting down the House of Commons on the eve of the release of the Gomery Report which documented a legacy of corruption and kickbacks orchestrated by senior officials in the Liberal party."

    Someone might want to remind John that the Gomery Commission was not established until after JC retired, making it difficult for him to do anything of the sort.

    Sill Cons, tricks are for kids.

  12. Now what the heck would some guy named Martin out in Chilliwack know about the media and what they perceive to be important to Canadians.

    Somebody should tell the people of Chilliwack that only the Ottawa press corp and the one-tenth of one percent of Canadians who showed up to protest are capable of determining how important prorogation is.

  13. "So, constantly, just kind of yelling, well, you really should reconsider your strategy, right?"

    Gee, a lot of MPs could learn from this – not just "professional activists".

  14. Good of you to remind us about why Chretien prorogued Parliament to delay the findings concerning the Liberal corruption around Sponsorship. But you`re right; Chretien did not prorogue because of the Gomery Report, rather I believe he was afraid of the release of the Auditor General report on the same matter. I`m not 100% sure about that but if I`m mistaken, I trust you will do the necessary research and report back.

  15. Is it really a story for every day for the last two weeks? To the Harper haters it is, I guess.

    • I HOPE it remains a front page story for the entire time Parliament is prorogued. Throughout the Olympics. And I fail to see why one has to be a Harper hater to care — Dennis, do you really believe that?

      I highly recommend going to CBC and reading Kady's live blog of the Liberal public forum today with Linda Keen etc. They're working for Canadians and I'm gratified to see it.

    • Is it a challenge to your attention span?

  16. You're right. It was to delay Sheila Fraser's report and land it squarely on Paul Martin's lap. No protests or outraged media.

  17. OK, so you've spotted an editor's mistake. Have anything else to add to what I thought was an excellent article? Or do you simply resent people who disagree with your politics?

  18. I am sure Aaron is thankful for the link, Dennis as we all are. We all need a good laugh.
    "Reckless Media coverage" kinda like riding a bike w/o a helmet perhaps?

    either parody or the dumbest brick in the pile. Chiliwack Times indeed!

    • So, anyone who dares disagree with you has to be "the dumbest brick in the pile" and from a town you never heard of before. You are truly a man of the people. Next.

      • An old rock band from the sixties was named after Chiliwack and I have had the pleasure of driving by it many times. My dig was perhaps unfair but it was along the lines of … this is a small town paper but part of the CanWest chain so why wasn't it in the Nat. Post?

        And another commenter was less than impressed by this guys academic endeavors for good reason.

        And yes I think he is real dumb not cause I disagree but because it is an absurd claim.
        The crazy trip Harper kicked off on Dec 30 has had a lot of players including the media. But to blame them? Come on … the initial wisdom of several pundits was that … yawn … no one of any import would take notice.
        The media's fault? The media got played this time (and a good thing too).

  19. Yeah i gota say i don't much like this thumbs down and go…it's one of the reasons i wont sign up.

  20. Observe the familiar defensive habits of the specie Conservative when cornered. To defend itself, it will rely on basic instinctive bait and switch tactics, moving with lightning speed to distract from the topic or government at hand. The attempt will always be made to change the subject and keep it focused on its adversary, while it digs a whole to avoid any scrutiny or accountability.

    Did Chretien shut down committee after committee as soon as they started asking tough accountability questions? Did Chretien ignore a Parliamentary order/subpoena? Did Chretien fire independent civil servant after independent civil servant whenever they asked difficult accountability questions? Did Chretien go to court to try to prevent witnesses from speaking out? Did Chretien ignore court orders? Did Chretien offer "financial considerations" to any MP for their vote?

  21. Calgary Grit had the best response to this latest whining piffle:

    A brief history of why no one cares about prorogation

    "Anyone can get 20,000 in a Facebook group – call me when they pass the 127,000 in the anti-coalition groups." (now 214,000)

    "Oh, that's just Facebook. It won't impact the polls." (Liberals and Conservatives in virtual tie)

    "But no one really cares. No one will actually show up at the protests." (most estimates have comparable crowd sizes to last year's coalition rallies)

    So now…

    It's all the media's fault!

  22. 1) The mistake was his not the editor's. He wrote it, no? What happened to that stalwart conservative value of personal responsibility? The editor's only mistake was publishing it, at least as it.

    2) Here is another gem:

    "Attendance is generally dismal. Members are constantly running from one section of seats to the other so it looks like there is a crowd gathered around whoever happens to be talking on camera at any point."

    If he is actually a University prof, I bet dollars to cents attendance in the House is far better than in his classrooms, which according to his logic, means that his classes are unimportant too. Wherry sits in the House everyday it is functioning. Somehow I trust him more then then this clown.

    3) I think the piece is rubbish. It is has factual errors, half of the lines in the article come from Tory talking points, and he is skewing reality. But you are going to argue the point still stands that the media is derelict because they talked about what Harper did in context. Chretien abused power and now Harper does in the face of his promises of change. If you want to hold that up as acceptable great. Don't let me stop you.

  23. not sure what your point it? If it is that Chretien abused power too, then yup, he did. Now Harper does. If you think that is something to celebrate, then by all means.

  24. ps since yo are such a fan of objective journalism, I am positive you will be sending a letter to the Chiiliwack Times to point out their error, right? Right? Please copy and paste your missive to them here so we can all see where you stand on objective journalism.

  25. "Regardless, despite the cynicism out there, Members of Parliament work their butts off around the clock for a lot less compensation than they would receive in the private sector"

    Another gem from Martin. This after he spent most of his column slagging MPs and parliament. Who's the cynic again John?

    • Maybe you should rethink his position and yours. He was "slagging" Parliament, not MP's. Again, they do lots of fine work, if not their most productive work, when the cameras are turned off. Just to set the record straight, and stick to the fact.

  26. this gets even better. John's research interests:

    * Crime Prevention
    * Criminal Justice Policy
    * Liberal Bias in Academia
    * Media and Crime

    Get those elites John, get 'em.

  27. Topic: the media and Harper haters are obsessed with prorogue 24/7, but didn't say boo when it was done routinely by men like Chretien and, wait for it, Bob Rae!

    Why, because it's only the end of the world when people who disagree with the left do it.

    • Dennis, you're a tool for the cons. I seem to recall that the Liberals lost power over this, so they were held accountable. I do believe Canadians have awakened to the realization that harper leads the most UNaccoutable government in our history.

      I also remember that's what he based his campaign platform on. Shame shame, on harper.

  28. No. The point is that the very same people who yell and scream about prorogue not didn't say boo when Chretien, Rae, and other leftists did it. Why? Because I guess they didn't dare challenge the left's agenda.

  29. Are you trying to tell us that attendance in Parliament by elected representatives being paid by taxpayers is akin to students at university attending class?

    Indeed, you have no substantive critique of any of the arguments being made. Martin's focus is the media who use two sets of standards in covering prorogue. In other words, it was not seen as an abuse by Chretien, or Rae, or at least not obsessed about 24/7 by the Aaron Wherry's of the world.

    Maybe you should have attended more classes yourself.

  30. Most journalists are liberals and leftists. Why is pointing it out considered such a crime? Never ceases to amaze me how liberals never want to be open about who they are and what they believe. Just shove it on people because they're too stupid to know better than you, right?

  31. As a rule the personnel in the Liberal Propaganda Dept. wait at least 5 years before they begin to rewrite history. Maybe because of the recent bouts with counting clicks on Facebook or heads in a crowd the Rewrite Dept. has been amped up.

  32. From the Tyee interview:
    "Q. How did Shilo Davis become involved? Did you know each other?"

    ""The rallies were her idea. She said, 'What do you think about rallies?' I said, 'Sure, that sounds like a great idea….
    "…I would detest the idea of this being co-opted by any political party"

    Christopher White, meet Shilo Davis …
    from:http://hu-hu.facebook.com/group.php?gid=154743746

    Name: Shilo Davis for ADFW NDP Candidate!

    Category:Common Interest – Description:I'm seeking nomination for the ADFW riding to be the federal candidate for the NDP.

    I want to pursue a career in politics, and I need your help to do it! Please show your support :)

    [emphasis added]

  33. What a high standard you've set for yourself, Dennis. "Demanding better" and "standing up for Canada" does not mean slagging every first minister before you, disowning once-highly-regarded advisors, and putting the blame on the Senate when it's the PM who's killing his own legislative agenda.

  34. name me five papers that endorsed Dion in the last election. Should be easy right, all journos are liberals and lefties.

  35. The point was he would have no idea what good attendance is. I will keep it simpler.

    You are correct. I have no substantive critique of Martin's misrepresentation of reality and lack of robust analysis.

    You righties must have the grandest victimization complex imaginable. you ought to get help.

    • Well, given that, in an entire article about the media's coverage of prorogue, all you have is a rather adolescent point about attendance, I guess you really don't have a substantive critique, do you? If you did, what is it again? Thanks.

      Signed,

      Vast Right-Wing Conspriracy

  36. When someone will not answer an important question, then the question must be posed more than once. Especially when ducking the question (in the HoC or in committee) a minister of the crown smears the questioner.

    If you want to complain about a dysfunctional Parliament common man, you had better direct your complaint to the party causing the dysfunction.

  37. s and m; You were the one who brought up the subject of Chretien and the link between prorogation and corruption. I am surprised you are so quick to toss him under the bus.

    Having said that, i agree that the level of goverance under Chretien should not be used as a benchmark for future PM`s.

    But here would be an interesting exercise: ask 1000 people which is worse–Chretien proroguing Parliament to avoid the public finding out about Liberal corruption or Harper proroguing Parliament for any reason you`ve read about in the past month.

  38. So what is your opinion on the substantive issue Dennis?

    Do you agree with Stephen Harper (pre-PM) when he said that prorogation of Parliament was undemocratic and undertaken by a government that has lost the moral authority to govern? or Stephen Harper (post-PM) who thinks proroguing Parliament twice in a year and shutting down Parliament three times in 16 months is a-ok?

  39. Please tell your fearless leader he's had four years in government to turn things around, after running on an agenda of accountability and "improvement". And he hasn't followed through. Blaming past governments is not going to change that.

  40. The Conservatives just. don't. get. it. It is not just prorogation that is the issue here.

    It is prorogation in the face of serious accountability questions and plummetting polls.

    It is the length of prorogation and shutting down committees.

    It is a pattern of systematically shutting any Parliamentary committee that asks tough accountability questions, like he did with Justice, Environment, Ethics all before he shut down the special committee on Afghanistan.

    It is frustrating the work of independent oversight and accountability commissions, like the Information Commission and the Military Police Complaints Commission, ignoring their orders requiring the production of documents and information, fighting them tooth and nail to prevent witnessess coming forward, fighting them in court.

    It is about Harper punishing the independent civil servants in charge of accountability for crossing him: firing the MPCC chair, firing the Information Commissioner, firing the head of AECL, slashing the budget of the Budget Office and not providing him with required information.

    It is being in contempt of Parliament by ignoring a Parliamentary subpoena.

  41. he ought to only be corrected in that the most estimates have greater overall crowd sizes then last year's coalition rallies.

    • You mean that estimates that, according to the article posted, is being supplied by the protesters themselves?

      Some of you make a routine prorogue of 5 weeks seem like someone got shot. No wonder Harper keeps winning. His opponents appear to be, how shall I say it, losers?

  42. Conservatives. Just. Don't. Get. It.

    It is not just prorogation that is the issue here.

    It is prorogation in the face of serious accountability questions and plummetting polls.

    It is the length of prorogation and shutting down committees.

    It is a pattern of systematically shutting any Parliamentary committee that asks tough accountability questions, like he did with Justice, Environment, Ethics all before he shut down the special committee on Afghanistan.

    It is frustrating the work of independent oversight and accountability commissions, like the Information Commission and the Military Police Complaints Commission, ignoring their orders requiring the production of documents and information, fighting them tooth and nail to prevent witnessess coming forward, fighting them in court.

    It is about Harper punishing the independent civil servants in charge of accountability for crossing him: firing the MPCC chair, firing the Information Commissioner, firing the head of AECL, slashing the budget of the Budget Office and not providing him with required information.

    It is being in contempt of Parliament by ignoring a Parliamentary subpoena.

    • Ah yes, the conservatives are evil bullies, this despite the fact that the opposition has done nothing but engage in one reckless accusation after another, and after having done far worse while in power.

      Yes, everyone has to buy into what leftists and liberals think about Harper. My God, how can't they?

  43. [cont]

    It is not just about an 83 day Harper Holiday so Conservative MPs can enjoy a longer stay in California or head off to pricey tickets at the Olympics, but a core governance issue of accountability and democracy. That's why almost 30,000 Canadians from over 50 cities went out to protest on a cold January day, why Harper has lost a 15% advantage in a month, why 220,000 Canadians signed up on a Facebook page (many many of whom had never joined a political group of any kind before).

  44. I read the article and felt the same way as Chris White. Well done Andrew!!! You really articulated what a lot of people were feeling.

    • We'll see if this is nothing more than opposition whining.

  45. I suppose if one of his research interests was * Conservative Bias in Academia * he would have a lot more time for the other 3 interests.

  46. The beginnings of this Facebook group … two different views, from the same guy.

    Q: How did Shilo Davis become involved? Did you know each other?

    And very early on, I believe it was in the first couple hours, we started discussing what we could do together.

    …. And I think the fact that it began as very non-partisan group played a big part in its success. . .

  47. Okay, so what do we DO about it? I mean, if Conservatives don't get it, then what is the sense in trying to get them to change? It's awfully hard to argue with someone who truly believes in their own righteousness.

    So, what to do? Push for an election? Stage a Citizens' Parliament?

    The above should not be taken to mean that I disagree with you – I just think we need to start looking beyond what we dislike to creating something that we do.

  48. yes i brought it up. Dennis is holding up Martin as insightful. Martin has an egregious error is his piece. relevant no?

    your exercise is flawed. Chretien's decision to delay the report is not equivalent to Harper's. By the point that Chretien prorogued, we had numerous investigations into the Sponsorship Scandal, including the original audit requested by the government, work by the Public Accounts committee, and ongoing criminal investigation. Further, the government had referred the issue to the OAG. Again, while Chretien abused power the alter the timing of the report, he did not use prorogation to inhibit the investigation. I still think it would have been preferable and more legitimate. To let the OAG report be delivered, then for him to call and election (either with him at the helm if he decided to stay or with Martin taking over.

    In contrast, Harper's use of prorogation stifled actual investigation. It allowed him to stop the work of the special committee on Afghanistan; it allowed him delay replacing the head of the Military Police Complaints Commission ceasing their internal investigation; and it allowed him to ignore a Parliamentary subpoena.

    Do you think that the difference is insignificant?

  49. Funny how, earlier in this thread, it was conservatives who were accused of trying to change topics when cornered. Fascinating.

    As for the substance of your post, I honestly don't know what in the world you're talking about. Prorogue and the media is what was talking about, and what others have tried to jump on.

  50. I don't know what Harper said about prorogue before, but I'm pretty sure that he's not yelling and screaming about it like the media and the Harper haters are. Funny how many of you want to change the focus. Is it your ideology that is making you do it? Just wondering.

    Yet again, the topic: the same media yelling and screaming about prorogue said not a word the many times it was done before.

  51. If you're talking to me, he's not my "fearless leader." It's leftists who tend to worship their own. No. But I think his record has been pretty good. I think Canadians think that, too, which is why you bashers are so angry about it all the time.

  52. Well let's all go back in time and fix it.

    • How about just applying the same standard, instead of simply pushing a knee-jerk leftist agenda 24/7?

  53. It's NOT an egregious error. Chretien punted the sponsorship scandal by proroguing Parliament. Martin simply jumped ahead from Fraser to Gomery; the latter stemming from the former. The point is still valid, the reference was off, but not completely so. Still related.

    You're only focusing on it because you don't have much else.

  54. Observe the familiar defensive habits of the specie conservativae defensor when cornered in its natural habitat. To defend itself, it will rely on basic instinctive bait and switch tactics, moving with lightning speed to distract from the topic or government at hand. The attempt will always be made to change the subject and keep it focused on its adversary, while it digs a whole to avoid any scrutiny or accountability.

    Dennis: was Chretien wrong to prorogue to avoid accountability on adscam, as Harper and McKay and other Conservatives claimed, or was it no big deal? What is your opinion?

    • I never had a problem with Chretien's prorogue. I don't even remember it.

      Now, how about the double standard regarding the apparent atrocity of prorogue? Or were YOU simply avoiding the topic? lol

  55. According to you, liberals and leftists are obligated to endorse bad candidates they know won't win and can't lead? This is the kind of logic you guys are using these days, is it?

    The accusation is liberal bias, not outright hackery and stupidity. lol

    Try again.

  56. Oh, and by the way, why in the world am I supposed to be posting according to YOUR schedule? Man, some of you leftists are really, REALLY arrogant. lol

  57. if they are so hopelessly biased how could they not endorse the lety/liberal candidate in the race?

    • I never said they were hopelessly biased. You're the one who seems to equate bias with outright stupidity and hackery.

      I've always maintained the position that media bias is subtle. It's also probably not the worse obstacle in the world, although probably undemocratic in and of itself. At least if you use the media's view of itself, which is that it is essential in a democracy. If it's essential, then it should either recruit less liberals and/or leftists, or simply be more open about the composition of its membership. Instead, it's constant denial and the perpetuation of shabby standards. Yay.

  58. Much ado about noth…………………

  59. Yes. You were accused of trying to change the topic, because that's what you did.

    Now you're accusing others of trying to change the topic back. How dreadful they actually speak about what they were originally speaking about when it doesn't suit your purposes.

  60. Oh, I'm quite positive they get it.

    They just don't want anybody else to.

  61. As a research interest? It's pathetic.

    "Bias in Academia" is a reasonable research interest.
    Liberal Bias in Academia is approaching the research with a bias already established. It is, quite frankly, bad research.

    • Unless, of course, the bias that your studying is in fact LIBERAL. Geez. He's now supposed to hide the topic, just like the very media he's studying, and that you're defending? Wow.

  62. Perhaps one route is to take up the banner of fair vote and try to get proportional representation.

  63. you didn't answer the question silly.

    • Oh, you mean the one in which you equate DELAYS in government questions to actual cover-ups in the Chretien era? You mean that one? I didn't realize it was a biggy for you, or that it was directed towards me. But I guess I've already addressed it. Happy?

  64. facts have never been a big part of the tory talking point circuit, have they common man?

    • Why would I send an entire letter to the editor when:

      a) I hardly ever do

      b) Hardly think this is a big deal

      c) Know that others already have, like probably you.

      Next.

  65. Doesn't anyone else think it's just fantastic that younger people are taking an interest in parliament, whatever it is that has motivated their interest?

    Maybe they will do better, maybe they are the MPs of tomorrow who will convert our politics so that one day the activities inside will be as grand as the parliament building itself.

    Long live earnest optimism!

    • I'm always curious to see how focused the left usually is in targeting young people. I always wonder why that is, especially since they almost never end up voting anyhow.

      • Whose targetting … it's young people who are running the thing. I'm just happy someone under 50 is actually interested in what goes on in parliament and facebooking about something other than products they have purchased or movies they have seen. i don't think you're curious, just jaded.

  66. rough day Dennis? need a hug?

  67. I believe that Aaron Wherry and the media, right on cue, are way overhyping prorogue. How is that changing the topic? That many of you can't respond to the topic says very much, methinks.

  68. The one that Canadians keep voting for, and that the opposition keeps supporting.

    The idea that Harper has no record at all, such as the GST, crime bills, stimulus spending, and so on, just testifies to the inanity of many of his critics. Seriously. No record?? Next.

    • GST -> structural deficit.

      crime bills -> http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/01

      stimulus spending -> See the FUFU.

      "Seriously. No record??"

      Well, it's a dismal record. Dispute that if you will.

  69. Hmm, good question. Maybe because whenever things get close to a confidence vote, harper locks out the MPs to recalibrate.

    I think we all know we are going to see an election this year. Be sure to get out and vote for someone who takes the job seriously enough to show up…

  70. How the hell do you study bias, a topic for which there is no objective measurement, when you are already assuming a specific bias? Gee, I wonder if the results might be colored in the slightest by the "researcher"'s pre-judged opinions?

  71. If this is really all that some of you have, along with clicking thumbs down to all my posts, then I'm not having a rough day at all. lol. Quite amusing, actually. Thanks!

  72. Well, that's like saying that you can't evaluate a scholarly piece of work, or even a piece of art, because you can't measure it objectively. Of course you can still evaluate it with intelligence and insight, and people have for centuries.

    As for measuring specific bias, that's like saying global "warming" influences the interpretation of data towards "warming". Instead, you isolate the phenomenon, then study it, right? Happens all the time in scholarly work.

    • No. global warming has facts you can use to verify the warming. Warming is clearly defined.

      Liberal bias, however, is subjective in its very definition. What I consider Liberal bias is probably very different from what you consider Liberal bias and vice versa. Attempting to research something when the very definition of that something is unclear is ridiculous.

      Any defintion he imposes of what is "Liberal Bias" is debatable. As such, the entire line of research falls prey to the No True Scotsman fallacy.

  73. In other words, he's not studying just any kind of bias, such as racial, economic, and so on. He's isolated one type of bias, and it's one that's easy to see just through casual exposure to the news. Even most polls indicate that people think journalists are liberals. Wait, even most polls say that journalists say they're liberal. In the states, it's overwhelming. My guess is that it's even worse here.

    • And journalists being Liberal means.. what? That they're more likely to self-censor Liberal positions for fear of being called biased?

      Weathermen carry umbrellas more often. Does this mean they put rain in their forecasts more often than it exists, or that they just have a better appreciation of what works?

  74. Well, someone has to target them, because Stephen Harper's game plan – as was Bush's and the Republicans in the US with their smear tactics – is to get everyone in general disgusted at politics and not bother voting, but still motivate his partisan base to come out.

    Thanks to this latest move though, ironically he may himself have alerted more then just young people that Harper is a boil on the Canadian body politic, and needs to be excised.

  75. What record?

  76. Am I missing soimething ? This is a minority government ! The other parties can bring them down – wonder why they wont?