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Conservative MP Terence Young conducts pre-budget consultations in Oakville.

Young and his staff members kept the meeting firmly focused on budget issues, despite attempts by several members of the audience to question him about the decision of the government to prorogue Parliament. Questions on the topic were quickly cut off, with questioners told to make an appointment to talk to Young about the issue at another time.

“Somehow this issue has become really huge and I’m not really sure why except there wasn’t much else going on,” Young said, describing prorogation as “a normal administrative tool” used by prime ministers, including former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.


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  1. There you go. Democracy in action, but only if pre-approved by Harper.

  2. 'and I'm not really sure why '

    No, that's their problem right there.

  3. Special To The Beaver

    Maybe not so much anymore.

  4. Is Young his name or an age identifier?

  5. What, the ‘constituents’ weren’t sticking to their assigned questions?

  6. Mr. Young was unable to speak about prorogation, but did have a letter to hand out on the topic.

    Governance by asymmetrical communication… how last century.

    • I wonder if there are any similarities between that letter and the e-mail that I got back from my MP.

  7. The nerve.

  8. A Scott Ross has article in today's NatPost that says prorogue will cost us $130 million. I think that number is high but it's unfortunate that people in Oakville didn't have that stat yesterday because they could has used it in the argy-bargy to have their MP listen to them.

    Have MPs always been this imperious or is it a more modern thing?

    • The CBC did a report that suggested the number was possibly $35-50M. But it also said that 222 jobs were lost.

      • That's interesting. Ross' article included salaries and I did not think that was an expense because MPs seem to collect their money regardless if they are working or not. I would have loved to ask Young how paying MPs to stand around with their thumbs up their arse affects the Fed budget.

        I am hesitant to ask because it is cbc but how did prorogue lead to 222 lost jobs?

        • That I don't know. Or at least I don't know that those are permanently lost jobs.

          But there are lots of people temporarily laid off if Parliament is not sitting: restaurant staff, security, cleaners, to say nothing of the extended economy of hotels and restaurants and taxis, etc.

          One thing is for sure: whether Harper is in town or not, Tim's won't suffer.

        • According to the CBC article, 222 seasonal workers who only work when parliament is in session will have 2 months' less work this year because parliament is prorogued. In addition, 160 of those will be denied workplace benefits because they will not work the required number of days, thanks to the prorogation, to be considered full-time workers.

  9. Looks like the media has invested a large amount of free publicity to help the NDP. A pity our media can't bother to do any fact checking who is behind the alleged non-partisan event.

    "The protest is spearheaded by the Oakville NDP Riding Association, but is open to anyone."

    Shilo Davis is the national rally coordinator for Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament. The same person running for the NDP?

    After the wafer story, you think the media would try to do a little fact checking. Scott Ross is a Liberal Partisan who thinks our PM hid the wafer!

    Impressive journalism!

    • So, what exactly is your point?

      • He doesn't have one, he never does.

    • CS..your own fact checking is no better. Shilo Davis has a specific history of nonpartisan political activism that predates her brief and defunct potential candidature as an NDPer. She and the other organizers are making it clear to all politicians who may attend that this protest belongs to CAPP and partisan political announcements are not welcome.

      But I grant you that the journalist are not "getting it" ..indeed most of them have never seen this phenomenon in their lives – a grass roots Canadians movement having to stop a home grown assault on our democracy. Some may be content with this type of authority…. as long as their favored party is in power..and after that?

  10. Memo to: Terence Young

    From: Dimitri Soudas, Prime Minister's Office

    Re: Prorogation Talking Points

    Your recent comments that the Taliban-loving, Canada-hating pinko commie lefty anti-prorogation movement is "huge" is a direct violation of your temporory "permission to speak in public" license (and no, for the thousandth time, there is still no permanent license available) and your salary will be reduced as per penalty Schedule A of the Terms of Indentured Servitude Agreement.

    As noted in the post-media availability caucus meeting yesterday, it is vitally important to our efforts to hoodwink Canadians that we all stay on the same page and carry the same message to the public. The little people are easily distracted so we need to stay on message.

  11. [cont]
    Some of our caucus have complained that it has become increasingly difficult to keep up with the talking points as they change almost hourly. They will be dealt with accordingly. However, I reiterate that it is your obligation to inform yourself about what the current talking points are and to remain available for changes to the talking points at all times.

    As previously noted, we strongly suggest that the most efficient manner of ensuring you are current in your talking points and not in violation of your temporary "permission to speak in public" license is to remain at home, with the door locked and blinds down, until the Prime Minister needs additional props behind him at a public announcement.

    Please govern yourself appropriately in the future.


  12. PM Harper is to have his 1st news conference in a year in Ottawa tomorrow. A big coincidence of course, on the same day the CAPP rallies are happening.

    • Good for him.
      I'll be at a rally plotting his farewell with like-minded members of the chattering classes

  13. It looks as if your (hypothetical) Soudas is also a "normal administrative tool".

  14. Uhh.. Young.. the reason there wasn't much else going on was because your government was stonewalling attempts to get anything else going on, and killed the bills on everything that *was* going on.

    Of course there isn't much going on after you close up shop. Nitwit.

  15. I haven't seen any of the Press Gallery report on how common proroguing is. But there is nothing to prevent anyone interested from going to the provincial web sites to see truth. The five largest provinces all had breaks over this Christmas averaging 78 days – the exact same break as Ottawa! One was 90 and one 95 days! Jean Chretien prorgued four times. Two provinces prorogued this Chrstmas. Bob Rae three times as Premier for Ontario, once up to 144 days. The house of Commons always breaks until the end of January. This break is only 22 days longer. You can only end a session of Parliament in two ways: prorouging and dissolution, and no session goes on for ever. It is common to prorogue before a throne speech. Those are the facts.

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