Questionable analogy of the week


Pat Martin would prefer the NDP not change its name because, well…

“I already resent the amount of attention that it’s already taken up,” said Pat Martin (Winnipeg Centre). He questions why the party would distance itself from its provincial cousins that form governments in Nova Scotia and Manitoba.

“It doesn’t make any sense to me,” said Martin. “You don’t see New York trying to drop the `New’ off their name.”

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Questionable analogy of the week

    • In case you're serious, New York was/is called New because there's a city back in England already going by the name (and unlike, say, the first Boston, it was large enough to be noteworthy, with its own archbishop). Here any difference would be symbolic at best, it's just the same thing.

  1. Hey he's right except he has it in reverse – maybe New York aint so new anymore the big apple has had quite a few bites out of it so York! it is

  2. I agree entirely with Pat Martin. The "New" in NDP isn't a statement of origins, it's a brand promise – of change, renewal, and progress. The analogy with New York is almost bang on — the "New" in New York began as a statement of origins, but is now a promise of what the city can offer. The NDP would be foolish to give it up.

    • Hear hear. It's rather alarming that some NDPers apparently think their party is the New Democratic Party, as opposed to an Old one, and don't grasp that they're supposed to be promising a New Democracy.

      • maybe you nailed the solution Jack! given their sensibilities re temporal clarity they can go with The Old New Democratic Party.

        • I dunno, that seems like an open invitation to schism: there'd be a New Old New Democratic Party in no time.

          Seriously, though, I take the point that "New Democratic Party" has, as a label, lost its edge. What about "New Democracy" as a party name? Personally I think the key to a good party name is that it NOT work better as an acronym: which is why "NDP" is less than ideal. But "New Democracy" is a lot easier to say than "ND" or whatever, and — bonus — it actually means something in ordinary English.

          • agreed on the acronym bit.

            I think i am prob just stubborn, but I think they ought to stick to the New Democratic Party, notwithstanding the acronym. they definitely need some rejuvenation, but the name unto itself is not going to do it and i think is the least of their worries. if the have to do something 'New Democracy' is pretty goo. maybe just shortening the old NDP tag to 'New Democrats'.

          • That's a very good idea about "New Democrats" (which is already in use, though not very common compared to NDP / NDPers). "NDP" would stick around but soon, I think, fall out of common use if they started using "Vote for Us, the New Democrats" instead of "Vote for Us, the Acronym."

          • yeah. in name at least (and hopefully in action there after) it would mark a explicit shift to not the party but the individuals members, the 'New Democrats' themselves; a move away from celebrating top down control.

  3. God I hate the airport in Ark, New Jersey.

    • Dont' you mean Ark, Jersey?

      • D'OH!

  4. Why they want to change it I can't say, will people like it better that way?

    • Even Old New York was once New Amsterdam!

  5. If they want to drop the word "New", but retain the initials, why not change "New" to "National"? National Democratic Party.

  6. If they want to drop the word "New" but retain the initials, why not change "New" to "National"? National Democratic Party.

  7. Glad the NDP is keeping their focus where it ought to be it the midst of tremendous economic, environmental and social challenges.

    If they must consider a new name, i'd humbly suggest something that maintains the NDP acronym, like the National Democratic Party. No chance of confusion with the more right leaning (relatively speaking) American party that way.

  8. That's a brilliant idea!

    • Thanks! So longs as their lack of concern with party confusion equally extends to Germany, it's a winner.

      • You're welcome, and I agree that it's uncomfortably close to the tainted "National Socialism". I was being a bit cheeky, however, because I proposed the very same name twenty minutes before you did (see above). Twins!

        • Oops! I have a bad habit of opening a window to comment, then folding a load of laundry or something before I submit, and I missed yours. I defer to your speedy wit, amphibious one.

          • Thank you, kind sir.

  9. I like the National idea, but would also suggest they perhaps should be focusing on how to gently replace their leader, who is no longer new and doesn't seem capable of moving the polls in their favour.

    • But the nation loves Baldy McPornstache! Who else could possibly teach us how to buy and sell on eBay?

    • You don't know Jack.