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There was blood


 

David Akin bears witness to the original bloodshed.

I was the only reporter standing in the basement of the Centre Block when Custer and the rest were frogmarched into an interrogation room with their hands handcuffed behind their backs. I saw Custer myself with a line of blood running out of his mouth while he was in handcuffs.


 

There was blood

  1. Thanks for this.

  2. There's still a pretty clear discrepency here. If David Akin says he was bleeding, he was bleeding. I have a ton of respect for Mr. Akin and consider him among the best in class. However, from my perspective the CBC story still has merit if you look at the two photos. Dried blood is on the nose, under the nose and on the side of his face – with none on him seemingly in the CBC "before" shot.

  3. Perhaps he suffered a cut lip which had stopped bleeding before the CBC interview, so he bit it to start the bleeding again, then wiped some blood on his nose for dramatic effect.

  4. Did David mention if the blood analysis was type O, B or A?
    No? How about hothouse or field?

  5. maybe it wasn't blood – after all a conveniently placed pre-opened pack of ketchup and voila – POLICE BRUTALITY – don taze me bro!

  6. It's been a while since I was punched in the nose, but IIRC the blood can stop running and then start again, like a bad nosebleed (which, I suppose is what it is).

    Anyway, it's all moot since if it were somehow proved that Custer had been punched by the guards the right-wing bozos here would start defending it immediately. Presumably they would object if it were right-wing protesters, of course, since the charm of the right-wing bozo is that he has neither much reason nor much conscience.

    • Did your nosebleed defy the laws of gravity? I guess that's allowed in the house that writes the laws.

    • I thought the charm of right wing bozos is that they go to work most days to pay their mortgage, car payments and taxes, and hence rarely attend protests.

      There is a protest against the Dalton Sales Tax outside the Ontario Legislature at lunch tomorrow. Here's hoping a lot of right wing bozos show up to that and prove me wrong.

    • I wouldn't say RW bozos exactly. But i find it curious how normally staid and stolid posters here suddenly become so reactionary…or am i reading too much into this? You guys are all funning…right?

  7. There is an inherent and frankly, reasonable risk in getting bloodied when one resists removal by a security officer.

    • That appears like blood from a cut under the bridge of his glasses. Maybe I misread your post – I thought you were referring to a nosebleed through the nostrils. But, same comment if what Atkin suggests – blood running out of his mouth, not from the bridge of his nose..

      • gawd. that is what Aiken states he saw. it by no means excludes that there were additional cuts or later injuries.

        look i don't know if it was real, and frankly, their are issues i care more about. but please stop with the faulty logic.

        • Well, I discounted the report that Dick Cheney was spotted quail hunting near Parliament Hill just around the time that the clean faced protester was caught on film – so don't claim I have faulty logic!

  8. Here's what I didn't like about the whole show when it was aired on CBC:

    Solomon, to pique interest to stay tuned, announces words to the effect that "we have protesters here , one with blood on his face." Then, when he gets around to interview the group, he asks the female in the centre what she saw – something like "I saw him get thrown to the ground, blood spurting or onto the walls". Yeah, right.

    So, apparently none of the protesters requested mediacl assistance, but didn't I hear that two security personnel went to the hospital for treatment for minor injuries? So, what types of injuries, and how were they incurred?

    • "So, apparently none of the protesters requested mediacl assistance, but didn't I hear that two security personnel went to the hospital for treatment for minor injuries?"

      again, gawd. I am not sure what your play is here. though i can guess. but this is just plain dumb reasoning. the workers, being at work, would be required to fill put/seek medical attention for even minor injuries as insurance requires. refusing medical treatment on the other hand does not equate to not being injured.

      but you already know that. does the polemical bs never get tiring?

      • I was waiting to see if the medical reports indicated that a protester ran full spead glasses first into an outstetched arm, or that another was sprayed in his eyes with packets of McDonald's taco sauce – they look eerily similar to ketchup. Easy mistake to make.

  9. But there's a fascinating exercise in groupthink response to media stimuli in the other thread! Don't ruin it now!

    • Ah, the bold iconoclast speaks.

      Why is it that the smallest issues seem to inspire the most fevered responses? The right wing bozos (to appropriate a phrase) are having a bit of a chuckle about it all. And then there are those who take it all tedibly, tedibly seriously…

      Given the choice, I'll align myself with the right wing bozos on this one.

      • Are the' RW bozos' – not my choice of words – having fun? I hate this internetty thing. I can't see the clenched fists or hear the grinding of teeth.

        • I dunno if they are having fun… but I am.

          It's like the pilot for CSI: Ottawa. I'm waiting for someone to forcefully remove their sunglasses and give a meaningful glare. Who's going to step up?

  10. "I thought the charm of right wing bozos is that they go to work most days to pay their mortgage, car payments and taxes, and hence rarely attend protests."

    Don't forget that they're also too busy commenting on blogs while at work to attend protests.

    • They are too busy bussing schoolchildren to Ottawa for anti-choice protests.

  11. When exactly was that walking video filmed?

  12. No one seems to be batting an eye that Jack Layton can keep a straight face while defending this bill, which calls for Canada to meet targets, just a year after he was personally trying to convince Canadians that carbon taxes (a necessary ingredient if we are to meet any targets, whether in the form of cap and trade costs or more direct emissions charges) were bad and that no one should actually have to pay more to burn more. And a couple hundred protesters seem happy to jump into this circus of hypocrisy. Even the guy with the bloody nose, real or fake.

  13. Who cares if the punk got roughed up a bit. They knew what they were getting themselves into, and knew the risks involved. They also didn't clear out when asked, so force was necesarily employed… tough beans!

    What I think has really been demonstrated here is that if you're a fringe political group that can't afford a big media-buy for your advertising campaigns, raising hell in parliament is an effective way to get free media coverage. Throw in some fabricated police brutallity, and potential political-party colaberation, and the news cycle is yours for an entire week!

    • You mean if you are not a Conservative who can misappropriate millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to advertise the Conservative Party and toplaster Harper's unappetizing face all over the websites of the Government of Canada?

      • So because the government advertises (which has been happening for decades), and some partisans don't like the colors of said advertising, that gives everybody the right to disrupt parliament at their convenience?

        And it should be noted that 90% of the population wouldn't even associate the stimulus money with the Conservative party until the Liberals came along and decided to make it a story because of a few goofy cheques that were seen by a handful of people. Thanks to the Liberals, Stimulus = Conservatives.

        • It's a shame they waste our tax money on crappy, useless Economic Action Plan ads instead of clearing up the confusion over H1N1 flu shots.

        • No, no, the $54 million advertising campaign, the multiple photos of the prime Minister, and the cheques all helped, too. The liberals jumped on the opportunity to capitalize on some bad optics. Let's be charitable and offer joint credit.

        • Good try bud. 'Harper govt'' or worse 'Conservative govt' has been all over this country, and all on the public's dime. Yes i know the liberal's did it too. There's a moral calculus that'll change nothing.

  14. What I want to know is if somebody is investigating whether or not CBC violated its journalistic policy by putting that bloodied protester in the studio in the first place. It would seem to me that the putting a bloodied protestor on air would be considered “the presentation of violence” and it seems clear to me that he was put on the air in the state he was for “shock effect”.

    According to the CBC's policy:
    “In all cases, the presentation of violence should be warranted and should not be undertaken for shock effect or for trivial reasons.”
    http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/accountability/jou

  15. What I want to know is if somebody is investigating whether or not CBC violated its journalistic policy by putting that bloodied protester in the studio in the first place. It would seem to me that the putting a bloodied protestor on air would be considered “the presentation of violence” and it seems clear to me that he was put on the air in the state he was for “shock effect”.

    According to the CBC's policy:
    “In all cases, the presentation of violence should be warranted and should not be undertaken for shock effect or for trivial reasons.”
    http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/accountability/jou

    • Also, it appears Custer had that blood on his face all the time, it's just that the raw footage of them walking is too fuzzy to show it clearly. So why would CBC do that? Were they deliberately trying to brand him as a liar? Did they talk to the person who shot that film, or to the other people in the film? CBC owes him a very public apology.

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